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1 minute ago, SanguinePar said:

Safe to say our season is now over.

It was over ages ago, even if we progressed this game and Dundee we were getting pumped in the final.

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Wouldn't say that was another hard luck story. Just not good enough. On top for long spells in both games, but still not enough to swing it. At least we can plan for the new season. 

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Just now, Al k said:

It was over ages ago, even if we progressed this game and Dundee we were getting pumped in the final.

Against Killie, County or Hamilton? I'd see the Dundee game as much harder than any of those tbh.

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Just now, scottyboy said:

Wouldn't say that was another hard luck story. Just not good enough. On top for long spells in both games, but still not enough to swing it. At least we can plan for the new season. 

Agreed, not hard luck today, but neither were we outclassed, we could have won and it would have been a fair result, just as this is also a fair result.

Good game, we just didn't take our chances when we had them.

I suspect Dundee will hammer Rovers though, and go up.

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7 minutes ago, SanguinePar said:

Against Killie, County or Hamilton? I'd see the Dundee game as much harder than any of those tbh.

Killie and County are far better teams, Hamilton I suspect would win over the two legs.

Dundee would have pumped us anyway. 

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1 minute ago, Al k said:

Dundee would have pumped us anyway. 

Yeah, I would think so.

Although we did better against Rovers than I really expected, so you never know.

Ok, onward to next season.

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Just now, SanguinePar said:

Yeah, I would think so.

Although we did better against Rovers than I really expected, so you never know.

Ok, onward to next season.

All if's and but's. Onwards we go hopefully with another manager at the helm. 

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Second half was a non event we created nothing subs did nothing to change the game. I would have taken Henderson off . Sadly Wighton and OHara were poor .For me Crawford has to go.

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They say your most important signing is the manager. Hopefully get one that can get us oot this league in 2 years. Probably needing a captain, goalie , scorer and a few with experience to progress. Over to you please Mr McArthur.  Get us entertaining football and we'll all turn up and back you.

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2 hours ago, scottyboy said:

They say your most important signing is the manager. Hopefully get one that can get us oot this league in 2 years. Probably needing a captain, goalie , scorer and a few with experience to progress. Over to you please Mr McArthur.  Get us entertaining football and we'll all turn up and back you.

I would add an attacking midfielder to the shopping list

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16 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

I would add an attacking midfielder to the shopping list

I'd say that's all we're really missing tbh, someone to create and attack in the middle. The rest of the squad is fine IMO, especially if/when Dow returns.

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11 hours ago, SanguinePar said:

I'd say that's all we're really missing tbh, someone to create and attack in the middle. The rest of the squad is fine IMO, especially if/when Dow returns.


This is absolutely wild. You can’t genuinely believe it. 

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Clear out required. Get Crawford to f**k. 

Han enough being Mr Reasonable. 

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14 hours ago, SanguinePar said:

I'd say that's all we're really missing tbh, someone to create and attack in the middle. The rest of the squad is fine IMO, especially if/when Dow returns.

Sorry Sanguine but for me we are missing so much more.

Crawfords inability to sign a decent goalkeeper over the last 2 and a half seasons has really impacted us.  I throw doubts over the centre of defence, the entirety of midfield and feel to be fair attack cannot really be judged as they rarely get the service they need.  You may be surprised to hear me say entirety of midfield but let me go into some detail.  Dow is a huge miss, however even before his injury he wasn’t exactly consistently performing, due in my opinion, to the complete lack of balance in midfield.  Whittaker is good for up to 60 minutes, then tires and we struggle.  Whatever happened with Turner has caused a tipping of that imbalance, as we miss his energy.   On top of all of this, we then have Dom Thomas, who in his decent 1 out of 6 games can be excellent, but for the other 5 is a shell of a player, not even doing the minimum of a shift to help out the defensive side of the game majority of the time.  My biggest gripe with Crawford on this, is the over reliance on loan players, which he has chosen to fill his midfield with.  McInroy, Mayo, Banks, Murray, Henderson - all here on loan and all midfield/wide midfield players.  This gives us a huge problem for next season where we have no base to build on and no development potential (the McCann, Todd and Allan having had little game time this season).  I accept that as a club we have to balance the books, furthermore it’s been a stated aim to develop young players, but this has gone out the window this season at the expense of loan players who won’t be here next year.   Doesn’t make sense.

there are too many gaps and mistakes this season to give me any confidence he is the right man to take us forward.  Style of football, performances, results, future transfer sales from this squad, there is literally nothing there that makes me think we have the right manager in charge.

get him out rapid.  Then let’s look at strategising with the new investors, advertise, take time to look at candidates and elect for a different strategy.  We need to find a different way of doing things to succeed and build.  Failure to deal with this means the board will risk much lower season ticket sales and further risk us progressing in what will likely be one of the weakest Championships in years.

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1 hour ago, Rossmcno1 said:

Sorry Sanguine but for me we are missing so much more.

Crawfords inability to sign a decent goalkeeper over the last 2 and a half seasons has really impacted us.  I throw doubts over the centre of defence, the entirety of midfield and feel to be fair attack cannot really be judged as they rarely get the service they need.  You may be surprised to hear me say entirety of midfield but let me go into some detail.  Dow is a huge miss, however even before his injury he wasn’t exactly consistently performing, due in my opinion, to the complete lack of balance in midfield.  Whittaker is good for up to 60 minutes, then tires and we struggle.  Whatever happened with Turner has caused a tipping of that imbalance, as we miss his energy.   On top of all of this, we then have Dom Thomas, who in his decent 1 out of 6 games can be excellent, but for the other 5 is a shell of a player, not even doing the minimum of a shift to help out the defensive side of the game majority of the time.  My biggest gripe with Crawford on this, is the over reliance on loan players, which he has chosen to fill his midfield with.  McInroy, Mayo, Banks, Murray, Henderson - all here on loan and all midfield/wide midfield players.  This gives us a huge problem for next season where we have no base to build on and no development potential (the McCann, Todd and Allan having had little game time this season).  I accept that as a club we have to balance the books, furthermore it’s been a stated aim to develop young players, but this has gone out the window this season at the expense of loan players who won’t be here next year.   Doesn’t make sense.

there are too many gaps and mistakes this season to give me any confidence he is the right man to take us forward.  Style of football, performances, results, future transfer sales from this squad, there is literally nothing there that makes me think we have the right manager in charge.

get him out rapid.  Then let’s look at strategising with the new investors, advertise, take time to look at candidates and elect for a different strategy.  We need to find a different way of doing things to succeed and build.  Failure to deal with this means the board will risk much lower season ticket sales and further risk us progressing in what will likely be one of the weakest Championships in years.

This is a good, detailed post, and you make a lot of fair points. I was perhaps careless with my words re a creative midfielder - what I meant was that that's the only area I think needs urgent attention, not that there isn't room for improvement elsewhere in the setup.

The loan players situation, in particular is something that needs looked at, I agree. We do have more than I would like.

Although, that said, it got us Dom Thomas, who I think has been a very good signing. I know he had a slump, but I think the Turner situation may have had a lot to do with that. We've certainly seen in recent weeks how good he can be, and I think there's good reason to hope he'll continue like that. I certainly wouldn't write him off yet.

It's also possible I suppose, that we'll secure one or two of the loan players on a permanent basis, we'll just need to see there. I'd probably opt for Murray and maybe Mayo over the others (I don't think Henderson is realistic, I think Celtic will want to hang onto him).

You're right though, that we need to keep/resume the young players coming through. I'm not sure if there's anyone likely/ready to make the step up, but hopefully.

I don't agree about the keeper - I think OFW is absolutely fine. He makes the odd mistake, but no keeper at our level isn't going to do that. I also think there's a couple of times he's copped blame for goals which IMO werent his fault (yesterday for example - to me that's a great reaction save, followed by poor marking. Not a spill as some seemed to see it).

Whittaker - yeah, he does tire a bit, which is a shame because he's generally very good while he has the energy. Maybe we just need to see him as someone who we will only get 60-70 minutes out of, and work around that. At the moment, I think his presence is worth it. It does mean having a proper replacement though, you're right.

And so, to Crawford. I can absolutely see why a lot of people have had enough, but I'm of the (possibly old-fashioned) view that you shouldn't sack a person, in any job, as long as they are getting the job done. 

And, regardless of how it's happened, Crawford has got the job done IMO. We've finished in a higher position every season he's been in charge. We made the playoffs, and competed well in the games we had. It may not have been pretty, it may have had some awful moments along the way, and it may have seen our worst away form that I can remember. But the job got done.

For me, he gets another shot at continuing to build on that. He may succeed, he may not, but I would rather we let him have his shot than just dump yet another manager, pay off yet more contracts, and start all over again for the umpteenth time.

Our goal next season should be a realistic run at the title, just as this season it was to make the playoffs. Assuming he's still in charge come July, I'll judge him on that.

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