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Ha - heresy! Better cover, better album, better band 🙂

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I enjoy watching Liverpool play (although not last night, they were terrible IMO, even when they were going 3 up) and last year's CL run was spectacular entertainment. That apart though I don't really care about CL, and I do share the concerns about the financial side of it and how big-team focused it is. Would prefer the old European Cup back, but doubt it'll ever happen.

Ok then. I'm going with the 97% who do agree though. Especially since it's been shown that those scientists who are actually experts in climate science (as opposed to being scientists generally) are the most likely to agree on the current consensus, and many of those who don't agree have been funded by organisations which would be hurt financially by the implementation of stricter regulations. If you guys want to go live with the crazy ones be my guest. Build your houses at sea level though, yeah? I'm out.

Technically any football score could be a cricket score... 😉

Whereas giving credence to conspiracy theorists is entirely grounded in sense and logic.

The sun will rise tomorrow. The sun will rise tomorrow but will look like an inflatable pineapple smeared in jam. Neither are definitively provable nor disprovable but only one of them isn't utterly laughable.

It's a combination of the two. That's why we have 4 seasons, not 2. The orbit is not the reason for speedy sustained temperature increases. If it were, then we would see similar speedy decreases each winter. It's not open-mindedness to consider two opposing views when one of them is based on scientific consensus and the other is based on nothing. It's bloody-mindedness.

The Earth's orbit IS elliptical. That's why we have seasons each year. It is not relevant at all to climate change (except in perhaps a very broad sense with very gradual change in the ellipse) and could not be unless we orbited the sun over a period of thousands of years rather than one year. The truth is exactly where I said, with the people who actually know what they are talking about. Also, edited to add, I don't think there's any theory that climate change is ONLY man made. However the recent big increases in temperatures in the last few hundred years cannot have been caused by the slow moving changes in orbit or solar output. Something has radically and rapidly altered temperature on a global scale and it coincides very, very well with human industrial activity. I literally can't believe this is still even up for debate.

No, I'm sorry, there are not "two theories" - there's the overwhelmingly strong and scientifically backed consensus and conclusion that climate change is real, is happening and is very definitely exacerbated by human activity. Then there's the wacko nutjob conspiracy theorist nonsense based on no evidence at all and spread by lunatics like Trump, Alex Jone, Bolsarono, etc that it's all a big hoax. They are in no way equivalent, and they should never be given equal standing.

Accusations of unhinged ranting rather than addressing her argument. In fact you are literally suggesting we don't listen to her argument and judge her only what she looks like without audio. And how can you seriously compare a passionate 16 year old with Hitler and Mussolini?

I agree. Teuchter, you normally come across as a pretty reasonable guy, but you really seem to hate this girl for some reason. The 4x4s thing is a pretty cheap shot too tbh, as is describing them as lazy. I doubt that's representative of most kids.